David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein) | Oireachtas source

That puzzles me. Every single time Mr. McKeon mentioned fraud, he mentioned error. Going back over his opening statement, it contains the words "fraud and error". That is not an appropriate way to deal with both issues. In process terms, the Department needs to separate instances of fraud from instances of error. The reason is because the media perception when these figures are covered is that this is all about fraud and not necessarily about error.

Over the course of five years, the net level of fraud and error is 2%. The assumption could be that the level of fraud was 2%. However, that is not the case because Mr. McKeon said only 30% is actual fraud. Is that correct?