Oireachtas Joint and Select Committees

Thursday, 7 December 2017

Public Accounts Committee

Comptroller and Auditor General 2016 Report
Chapter 16: Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 17: Management of Social Welfare Overpayments
Chapter 18: Department Reviews of welfare Schemes, Social Welfare Appeals Process, Social Insurance Fund

9:00 am

Photo of David CullinaneDavid Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein) | Oireachtas source

I will tell the witness why I want them and why I think he should have them. This is one of the issues that was identified by the Comptroller and Auditor General. The following is the problem I want to tease out with him. I am reading from his opening statement where he stated: "...the overwhelming majority of our customers who are open and honest in their dealings with the Department and imposing controls and checks that are intended to reduce fraud and error when the evidence is that levels of fraud and error are relatively low." He also stated: "We cannot and will not pursue the elimination of error or fraud...". In the next paragraph he talked of fraud and error surveys. He also talked about fraud and error into the future and said that in most schemes surveyed this ranged between 0.5% and 5%. Why is fraud and error lumped into one category?

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