Paul Gavan (Sinn Fein) | Oireachtas source

I thank Ms Donlon for that answer. I accept what she has said but I do see a contradiction in what the witness has said and what is on the website. I wish to flag this. The website certainly suggests directive counselling to some degree.

I am conscious of time and I shall move on. There is lots of really good information in the presentation and I thank Ms Donlon for that.

Considering the number of women on record who have travelled to Britain for termination of pregnancy and who have obtained abortion pills online, does Ms Donlon feel that the HSE is leaving thousands of women vulnerable each year? In fairness, there is a huge gap between the HSE figures of people who get post-abortion counselling and the annual figures for those who actually travel for an abortion. There are thousands in the difference there.