Catherine Murphy (Kildare North, Social Democrats) | Oireachtas source

It seems that governance and administration costs are built into funding for section 38 and 39 organisations and that there is also a cost within the HSE as regards oversight of those organisations. We have heard about whether the sample was targeted and a known problem was picked out. There is oversight yet again by an external body, such as Deloitte in this case, and is likely to be an occurrence every year.

Something is screaming out at me. It is a policy issue. There is an abdication of responsibility for what is a public service as opposed to something else. Mr. O'Brien does not have to answer. It is just that-----