Oireachtas Joint and Select Committees

Thursday, 26 October 2017

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Implementation of the Good Friday Agreement

Legacy Issues Affecting Victims and Relatives in Northern Ireland: Discussion (Resumed)

2:10 pm

Mr. Dennis Godfrey:

As Ms Peake mentioned, one of our concerns in the context of resources is with what we know of how the historical investigations unit may operate. I do not have figures for the ombudsman, but I am sure he would indicate how much he needs to resolve his cases. While I think the figure is likely to be higher, let us take for illustrative purposes a figure of 1,000 cases to be looked at in a five-year period. The members can correct my sums if they are inaccurate. It would be a clear-up rate of approximately 50 cases a year from day one, which is four cases a week. There is no investigative service in the world that is clearing up historic cases at a rate of four a week. The illustrative figure in terms of resources is highlighted by Stakeknife, which involved 50 cases. As the Chief Constable indicated when he was setting up what has become Operation Kenova, these would require this magic five-year period and £35 million to resolve. That is equivalent to 25% of the entire £150 million, which was also to cover the independent commission on information retrieval, the archive, trends and all of that. If we take a notional figure of 1,000 cases, that is 25% to cover approximately 5% of them. I do not know if that is a direct illustration of the resources required to do the job comprehensively, but it gives some indication of the scale of what is involved.

Fundamentally, WAVE's issue is that we do not want promises being made to victims and survivors which simply cannot be met. We cannot keep doing this. We have been doing it for years. As Deputy Brendan Smith rightly pointed out, we were here in 2013 and again in 2015. If one goes back over the record, I bet the presentations we made were not a lot different. We could have made the same presentation in 2003. That is a fundamental issue. This will be the last go at it, I think, and, somehow, we have to get it right. We must ensure that promises are not made to victims that we know cannot be delivered on.

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