Mr. Patrick Murphy:

It is very unfair that these figures are being bandied at us. We have no prior knowledge of this. I can only speak for the members in my own organisation. I do not represent my colleagues' industry representatives, their organisation or vessels that are not part of the producer organisations, POs, that we four represent. The Senator might give us the details.

I would like to take up the Senator on one point. He said 13 cases are being prosecuted. He said that 63 vessels had 139 undocumented crew-----