Gabrielle McFadden (Fine Gael) | Oireachtas source

I apologise for being late. I was attending another briefing. The disadvantage of speaking third is that the questions one wanted to ask have already been asked. The witnesses are welcome. I am just as horrified by this situation now as I was when I read of it previously.

Deputy O'Sullivan asked a question about something that had struck me immediately. How are these trips to China being organised for people? Obviously, someone cannot go to a travel agent to book flights and accommodation for this. Where do people get the information that they need to book all of this?

We have been told that reforms are taking place in China, but what kind of reform is it and is there any evidence of it? What can we do as a country? I presume that we can run a campaign educating people who are travelling to China for transplants on where these organs might be coming from and how they were taken from others. A friend of mine had a kidney transplant and I know how desperate he was to have it done, so I can understand people's desperation. If they were educated on where the organs were coming from, though, their eyes might be opened.

I am fascinated by the organisation of a trip to China for this purpose. How does one do that? There must be a way of stopping it.