Catherine Murphy (Kildare North, Social Democrats) | Oireachtas source

I can see the value on the procurement side.

I return to one of the issues I raised earlier. Somebody asked Mr. O'Brien about his salary and he said it is on the public record. I only use that as a benchmark against some of the issues regarding St. John of Gods. The same kinds of things arose with Rehab. Newspaper articles have outlined some salaries, including one in the region of €240,000 to €249,000. Four other people have salaries of €200,000 to €239,000.

That exceeds Mr. O'Brien's own salary. As a benchmark from a subset organisation then, those salaries seem to be very high indeed. As this is a section 38 organisation, there are pension liabilities. There have been increases but I do not know if these increases concern only salaries or also pensions. Are there or could there be unknown pension liabilities as a consequence of the actions of St. John of God's?