Mr. John Barrett:

I think that is where my intervention became clearest. I said, "Explain this to me". None of it was accusatory. This is not about levelling accusation. This is seeking to understand where it all began. To discover that these very same issues were well understood and documented way back, for many years, but were still, for better or for worse, allowed to continue, that is the bit I find the most shocking about this whole thing. It had a life that continued in the dynamic, as Mr. Michael Howard described it, and that continued almost to the current date, until such time as Mr. Kelly-----