Seán Fleming (Laois, Fianna Fail) | Oireachtas source

I call Deputy Catherine Murphy and apologise for cutting across.

I noted a comment made earlier that captured the problem in a few words and that is that there were lots of outputs but it was the outcomes and there were no outcomes to the outputs. The outputs was a 2008 report, another output was a 2010 report. We are all very determined that the internal audit report is now going to have an outcome. That is the infuriating thing. I concur with the witness's sentiments. I am infuriated that nothing happened as a consequence of all of these outputs. It is typical case of a report on the shelf gathering dust.

Mr. Culhane just told us that the Sportsfield account is separate. It did not seem to be separate when it came to transferring money into the restaurant, from the restaurant into the Sportsfield account. That was public Vote money that went into a private entity. Mr Kelly was asked earlier if this was all incompetence and he answered that yes, his assessment was that it was incompetence. That is completely at odds with what he gave us in his opening statement. He is drawing attention to something here: "I strongly believe that any surplus money does not belong to the State but rather is owned by the members of AGS from whom they were collected." This continues. There are a number of references in this opening statement to not being told about things. That is not incompetence. I ask Mr. Kelly to come back and think about what he has said in describing that as incompetence. There are things here that were done for a very deliberate reason and Mr. Kelly has referred to them in his opening statement. Can I ask that Mr. Kelly come back to me with his initial response to this?