Mr. Michael Howard:

Yes, 2016. That was one year later. Again, I will synthesise this as best I can. Up to that point in time - I know there is a danger that we read history backwards, partly due to what Niall Kelly has said to me and very much elaborated by John Barrett – I had previously thought this was an issue that pertained primarily to the ownership of land. If I could put in grossly over simple terms, that it was a static issue. The land was not going anywhere. In my own work I have seen this, where one can have issues about the ownership of land, so it was important but I was not aware that it was serious. What changed for me when John Barrett briefed me was that I realised this was a dynamic issue. This was continuing because the whole time the figures – off the top of my head it was about €77 per trainee garda per week, so if one has 400 or 500 gardaí, one could have €30,000 odd a week.