Mr. John Barrett:

Two hours and 17 minutes. I was concerned because I was invited to that meeting at the tail end of the chiefs' meeting that happened in the college that day. It was not in my diary as a formal meeting. It lasted well into the evening as we discussed the advices that Mr. Ken Ruane had furnished to the Commissioner. That was the basis on which the meeting was called. Appended to those advices was the 2008 report written by Mr. McGee. The discussion was a detailed one around that. I went through, from a process perspective, the report that I had written for Mr. Cyril Dunne of the 6th. It is a very simple seven by three, 21 item agenda and we discussed that. My certainty around the impact and importance of that meeting was based on the fact that there was a view taken at the meeting that this section 41 was not required but frankly, that is not at all how I felt about it.