Mr. John O'Callaghan:

I know. The Vice Chairman asked about irregularities and I will answer the question. The Department, as far as I am aware, was not aware of irregularities in the college. In terms of the structure of the finances of the college and how it was set up and arranged, it was done at a time when the Department had responsibility for the Garda Vote and the Secretary General of the Department was the Accounting Officer. I am not saying the Department did not know in 1992 when the arrangements were put in place what had been put in place. It clearly did as it had responsibility for that. It presumed that things worked as intended. I have seen nothing to suggest the Department knew at any time until 2015 of irregularities.