Alan Kelly (Tipperary, Labour) | Oireachtas source

That is absolutely unbelievable. I am sorry. I respect that it is the answer. It is not a reflection on Mr. O'Callaghan. The idea, however, that since 1960, as well as since 1983 and the Walsh report which the Commissioner referenced herself, the Department had no idea there were financial irregularities in Templemore is, frankly, incredible.

I will move to some specific questions and I need Mr. Barrett in the room. He had left but while he is composing himself, does Mr. O'Callaghan or do his colleagues, such as Ms Barry or Mr. McDonald, wish to make a contribution? If there is anything they feel should be addressed in a different way, they need to say it now.