Mr. Seán Ó Foghlú:

Perhaps the Ryan report would be useful here. The wording he used refers to systemic abuse in the boys' homes. It was not quite as strong in the girls' homes. There were high cases of abuse. That is using his words in terms of the numbers. We do not have an idea of the proportion of those who were in the schools and the homes and the relative proportion. We do not even know the numbers who were successful claimants and the degree of claimants by type of institution or by religious order because we are not legally allowed to get that information.