Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein) | Oireachtas source

I do not, so maybe I will make it straightforward for Professor Barry. He actually referred to person A in his own briefing document so he was quite at liberty to discuss this case and it is important that he does. It is my understanding that person A stumbled across the abuse of the expenses system repeatedly. Professor Barry referred to seven instances that were subsequently examined in the university and in the Mazars report. It is also my understanding that person A identified many other breaches and that she was stonewalled and leaned on by management in the university for having the temerity to come forward and insist that the rules be followed. I understand that person A got sick directly as a consequence of this and that when she was on leave the HR function of the university did not cover itself in glory. Far from it. In other words, I put it to Professor Barry that not alone was there fiddling of the system for selected individuals but that the very person and people who brought this to the attention of the university were punished. In the case of person A the punishment meant that the person no longer works for the university. That is my summation of what happened. Later in this meeting we shall get to the control changes that were made, if Professor Barry wishes but it is very important that we understand exactly what happened in this turn of events and why a person, who Professor Barry has said was critical to the changes made in 2010, was kicked to the kerb and no longer works for the university.