Alan Kelly (Tipperary, Labour) | Oireachtas source

I understand that. In a previous meeting of the Committee of Public Accounts there is a difference of evidence, which is why we are here today. The original evidence came from an earlier meeting and there is a chronology. At meeting of the Committee of Public Accounts in April 2015, Deputy John Deasy said, "At a workshop held by Mr. Crowley in September 2014, he said that Mr. Healy had phoned him directly in May 2014 and asked him to write the policy." This related to the new safeguarding policy, among other things. Mr. Pat Healy replied, "That is a different issue and concerns safeguarding policy." He did not deny that that phone call happened and that it was procured in this way.

I was very much taken by what was said on discipline and, in fairness to Mr. O'Brien, there was a level of genuine frustration in his answers at being limited in what he could do. He was probably furious yesterday at having to send in a subsequent letter. If there were no illegal issues after July-----