Mr. John Clinton:

We constantly express our concerns and the main opportunity we get to do so is at the annual delegate conference, believe it or not, as the Minister of the day comes to it. We get the chance to put all the issues out there and we get media coverage in getting those issues into the public domain. It offers an excellent opportunity in that regard. We get to see the Minister approximately once per year, when we request it. In the main, since the introduction of a director general to the Prison Service, industrial relations issues or other matters are directed to the director general and his or her officials. That goes back to approximately the year 2000.