Mr. Fergal Black:

It is about creating a balance. We try to celebrate any achievement of prisoners. Most prisoners have dropped out of society. As Mr. Donnellan said, they have had a poor educational experience. They are poor economically, but they are also poor emotionally, psychologically and in other ways. We are dealing with a range of complex issues. On the drug treatment programmes provided by the Red Cross and Samaritans, we look to celebrate any achievement of prisoners because they have not had many opportunities. To answer the question specifically, it is really about where a person is at. He or she needs to want to be part of the addiction programme. We will support anyone to manage his or her addiction, but we also want to encourage people to engage in education, work training and offence focused work with the psychology, chaplaincy and all such services. I personally believe it is about creating a balance within a prison. I remember an occasion in the Dóchas Centre in the education unit a couple of years ago with Senator Frances Black where there was unnecessary friction or competition.