Mr. Dermot O'Leary:

I do not claim to be an expert in anything, but I think I have more expertise in how bus transport is run in this country than Mr. Ray Hernan has. I understand that he is learning fast, but in the round, on this side of the room with all the trade unions, we have a lot more expertise than that man. I can say clearly that there are many issues of 16 January that are not covered by current agreements.