Gerry Horkan (Fianna Fail) | Oireachtas source

Most people would not be in a position where they owe that kind of money and do not want to pay it. On a personal level, the loss of Bill Cullen's brother is hugely traumatic and a situation like this contributed massively to the whole thing. It has been very public. Bill Cullen has gone from very little to so much and back again. It is horrific. I thank Ms Lavin for what she has done.

I have a few questions for Mr. Beades. I thank him for his testimony. He referred to the former Secretary General of the Department of Finance and made a fairly stark comparison between him and Cromwell, a figure for whom most people in Ireland would not have great regard.