Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein) | Oireachtas source

And that it was the initiator of the deal. I thank Mr. Daly for that clarification.

Mr. Daly said in his evidence today that he did not know, however, until he saw the letter from PIMCO in April 2013 that not alone had Brown Rudnick gone to PIMCO to secure its interest in the portfolio, but in fact that it had introduced the company to Tughans and to Mr. Frank Cushnahan. Is that his testimony today?