David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein) | Oireachtas source

That is one part of it but Mr. Long was involved in a number of exchanges with NAMA in respect of the letter of assurance sought from Cerberus. That was in connection with the organisation's association with Brown Rudnick and Tughans. At that point, was Mr. Long aware of the conflicts of interest with PIMCO. I refer to the fact that there had been a success fee with Brown Rudnick, Tughans and Frank Cushnahan. When Lazard was asked to give that advice-----