Mr. John McKeon:

No. There is a difference. It is important to state that there is a difference between further education and higher education for somebody coming straight out of college. The research evidence shows that for somebody who was working but who becomes unemployed. The Senator should think of it in these terms. Generally speaking, when people go on a long-term education course, they cease job search during that period. If someone has been unemployed, say, for two years and he or she then does a four or five-year course, when he or she goes back to employment, he or she has been out of the labour market for six years. It is what is called the lock-out effect. Unfortunately, I am not making this up. The evidence shows that the progression from that is lower than the lock-out effect. There are many research papers that show that.