Jan O'Sullivan (Limerick City, Labour) | Oireachtas source

The one where the young people went up on the roof. Mr. Bergin gave us a lot of documentation on the protocols and what to do about separation, which was very useful and we all had an opportunity to read it because we got it in advance. It is obviously very difficult for everybody, staff, management and young people, to make this system work but the literature shows that the best way to do that is through what is called routine relationship building. The impression we are getting is that there may not be good relationships. Can Mr. Bergin give us a better understanding of the challenges? We have all heard some of the staff perspectives and they feel that they are not protected.

They feel they are subject to a lot of very challenging behaviour yet if one reads the protocols, it looks like there are good protocols in place. I would like to know a little more about whether they are working or whether they look good on paper but in practice are not working.

I was also going to ask about education. Education can make the difference between a young person having a positive future or not. Deputy Rabbitte has already asked about it. I know from reading that there are a significant number of hours per day available in terms of education but do the young people actually attend?

I have one more practical question on the 17 year olds. Are all the 17 years olds in Oberstown now or are some of them still somewhere else? Will Mr. Bergin clarify that?