Mr. John McCarthy:

I will give the committee a figure on where we are for this year in public versus private sector. The members may then be able to infer for next year. In the second quarter of this year, hourly earnings rose by 0.2%. The increase in the private sector was 0.8% whereas there was a fall in the public sector of 0.4%. Some of that, of course, is going to reflect compositional effects such as people retiring who might be at the principal officer level and people then coming in at the entry grades.