David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein) | Oireachtas source

Okay, so what Mr. O'Brien wants us to believe is that all of that is only the fault of the organisation itself and does not raise questions for the HSE. Because, if what Mr. O'Brien is saying is correct - and he has just accepted that these were very serious failings in terms of finance and governance and that this was extraordinary, possibly one of the worst that he has seen in terms of failure - surely that proves that the controls within the HSE failed. One of the questions I asked Mr. O'Brien earlier was whether he believed there were any failings on behalf of the HSE, and he said "No". Yet the actual internal audit report says something else, so how does he square that?