Mr. Tony O'Brien:

First, we insist that funded bodies acknowledge that they get funding from the State through the HSE. Sometimes they are dragged kicking and screaming to include the HSE logo, for the reasons I alluded to earlier. However, this is an organisation that had clean audits by its external auditor. It had a tax clearance certificate and a clean management letter. Even now, it is on the charity list. External consultants in a review, known as the Ruby review, that was provided to us in January 2015 - I think it was provided to us to try and head us off - said that Console had a high standard of corporate governance and financial management. The organisation had many ways to try and bolster its public credibility. Let us face it: this is an astonishing fall from grace. If I had asked a random sample of 100 people six months ago where they would put Console on the ladder of credibility, it would have been right up there.