Mr. Tony O'Brien:

I do not think it particularly used its relationship with the HSE to obtain credibility. In fact, very few people do, to be frank. This is a charity which had an extraordinarily high public presence and reputation. In fact, one of the boxes of evidence that was sent to us by the former CEO to show that we should not have any concerns was a box full of photographs of all of the amazing people he had been photographed with, including foreign heads of state. I do not think it sought to leverage its relationship with us to establish its brand at all. In fact, recent weeks withstanding, it had a fabulous brand. I am aware of the net point the Deputy is making, but I do not think it was used to that purpose.