Mr. Tony O'Brien:

That is not the answer. Reading this audit report is a bit like reading the script of "Catch Me If You Can". One wonders if we are talking about Leonardo DiCaprio or somebody else. I get that and it is extraordinary. How does a process that took place in 2013 as to whether to rescue a helpline reflect back to a news report in 1987 about this individual impersonating a doctor, for which there was no criminal conviction, or that at one point he wandered the streets in an airline pilot's uniform? How does one gather that kind of intelligence? Obviously people will come out of the woodwork and tell us once the issue is out there but how can we get that cold? It just does not happen and it is not realistic to suggest that.

With regard to the central point of the question, if the HSE was being truly rigid, my response to this would be to stop section 39 funding completely until I could audit all of them internally but that is just not practical.