Bobby Aylward (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fianna Fail) | Oireachtas source

We are almost four hours questioning the witnesses and I am none the wiser. There are a lot of questions still to be answered on governance, efficiencies and how money is spent - €3.5 billion between 1,750 charitable organisations. It is a major ask. Console has proven what can be going on if something is going on behind the scenes.

There are still many questions to be asked. Console was set up 14 years ago in 2002 and was funded from 2005 by the HSE under two different arrangements - grant aid initially and then service agreements from 2013 onwards. That the CEO of the HSE can come to this committee and say that the quality of services was top notch and that they were actually underpaid, that they should have received more money for services they provided-----