Mr. Tony O'Brien:

That is a formal meeting. I think the Chairman will come back and ask us about what I would consider to be learnings from this. There are fundamental questions, probably beyond the numbers of meetings, about the relationship between the State, as represented by the HSE, and section 39 bodies, particularly what might be called MONGOs - my own NGOs. I think there are now very serious questions about where we go with that.