Josepha Madigan (Dublin Rathdown, Fine Gael) | Oireachtas source

To me, that misses the point. The HSE gave a significant amount of money to the charity. It does not matter whether Console was partially funded or not because the same principles and oversight still apply and should apply. Mr. O'Brien's response is not good enough.

In May 2016, Mr. O'Brien signed the HSE's statement on internal financial control that came into effect, I think, in 2015. Why was it not signed earlier? It is a gold standard governance framework. There seems to be a difficulty between theoretical academic frameworks, written down with the HSE, but they are not implemented. There is no point having a framework unless it is utilised. I ask Mr. O'Brien to explain that to me.