Oireachtas Joint and Select Committees

Friday, 15 July 2016

Public Accounts Committee

HSE Financial Statement 2015

10:00 am

Photo of David CullinaneDavid Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein) | Oireachtas source

With respect, what I was trying to get to is as follows. I want to move on to another set of issues that relate to this issue as well and direct them to Mr. O'Brien. I thank Ms O'Connor for the response.

If it was just the red flags that were raised by individuals in 2006, 2009 and 2011, then that would be one issue. The problem is that when one then looks at other failings within the organisation that should have triggered alarm bells, it adds to the intrigue as to why the HSE took so long to respond. We now know that there were different sets of accounts, that is, the annual financial statement, that Console had depending on the organisation that was looking for them and different arms of the State were given different sets of annual financial statements for the same year. We also know that there were unsigned service level agreements. There were clear failings in relation to documentation. That also should have added to the concern within the organisation. It was not only that there were flags raised by individuals. There were also issues in relation to documentation that Mr. O'Brien is responsible for overseeing. There are also issues in relation to who were and were not directors, and to salaries. There were all sorts of issues that should have raised red flags for the HSE as well and it would seem that they all were missed.

Before he comments on that, I have a specific question on service level agreements. How many agreements were in place with different arms of the HSE? There were different agreements depending on the arm of the HSE. Can we have copies of them?

What audited documentation was Console obliged to furnish to the HSE? I refer not only to external audit reports but also to secondary documentation such as management letters. Were external audit reports furnished to the HSE for each of the years that they should have been? Was the accompanying management letter, which was also a requirement, furnished? Mr. O'Brien is the Accounting Officer and, therefore, he will know that.

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