John Deasy (Waterford, Fine Gael) | Oireachtas source

I am saying it is not sufficient. I am saying this has gone on for 30 years. We talk about the circumstances of Ann, in particular, in 2013 and maybe before then. Considering that we are talking about a current situation and that very serious issues were raised in the early 1990s, Mr. O'Brien's answer is not sufficient. He cannot stand over what he just said with regard to the means of dealing with the people who are potentially responsible for making these mistakes, which are very horrendous and serious. It is just not going to wash any longer. Mr. O'Brien has got to accept that. The public will not allow it to wash. This matter dates back 20 or 30 years. We are talking about something in 2013 that was raised back in the early 1990s. Mr. O'Brien is going to have to come up with something better. I am sorry, but he will have to deal with the issue of those individuals who were responsible for this, who allowed it to continue and who have not been brought to book by his organisation because it would actually become an issue for it in terms of its corporate culture and the fact that the HSE's attitude to everything has become so defensive and litigious. The HSE has become incapable of dealing straightforwardly with problems and, as a result, it has actually become a danger to the very people it is meant to protect in the first place. That is the issue.

I ask Mr. O'Brien again - I am sure other members will ask him as well - what he is doing about the individuals who, from the early 1990s, made these decisions and who are still in the system in some cases. Mr. O'Brien should please not hide behind the Conal Devine report and the Garda investigations any longer. He will have to come up with a better answer with regard to making these people account for themselves. They are within his organisation in some cases.