Mr. Justin Moran:

We can look at some countries that are good examples in different areas. For example, we were looking at sheltered housing recently and examples of this in Britain, the Netherlands and Germany, some of which are very innovative. There is a sheltered housing project in the Netherlands, for example, that allows people to group on the basis of culture. There are both good and bad sides to this. It means there is a group of people together who may be very devout in their religious beliefs, so sheltered housing is provided that reflects and enables those belief. In other cases, it may be a hobby and sheltered housing may be provided for people with particular interests. Innovative work has been done on specific issues. The problem is that what Deputy McGrath is looking for is a one-size-fits-all approach, although that phrase is flippant. He is looking for something that looks at it as a whole and, unfortunately, I do not think there is a country that does that. If he wants to discuss countries that do sheltered housing or state pensions better than Ireland, we can do that. There are countries that do that. We are looking for a country that looks at the culture of older people and that understands, respects and enables it. It is a search that we are-----