John McGuinness (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fianna Fail) | Oireachtas source

Otherwise, it will not change. That brings us to the point about local government. Reports, including value-for money reports, concerning local government are produced but they never get debated in the real public sense of what happens in this committee. The public sees that and if we ask people whether they want that type of secrecy or an open public debate, they want to see the latter. One can measure the appetite for that type of scrutiny by virtue of the desire that is there to have meetings televised live. If that is how it is going to be, then we have to have horses for that course.