Mr. Tony O'Brien:

Exactly. The payments are subject to a heightened degree of scrutiny. In respect of some of the HSE locations and matching the level of financial activity, while we cannot do so now, we are happy to provide the information for the committee. The level of financial activity in some of the smaller hospitals mentioned simply was not commensurate with the nature of the allegations made. In other words, the level of trading was so small it could not have supported the type of kickbacks being alleged. The major issue exposed by the programme obviously was in St. Vincent's University Hospital, which has been carrying out a forensic audit to which Mr. Swords has referred and where the scale of activity was much greater than in any of the smaller HSE hospitals.