Jan O'Sullivan (Limerick City, Labour) | Oireachtas source

We want to work with the committee in that with regard so that output measures would set out what final and external-facing targets and outcomes will be achieved by a particular action or series of actions. We are happy to work with the committee and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform in respect of improving those measures. The point I made in my opening remarks is that in some cases there would be things that might be described in the New Zealand model as being internal processes, but we would consider them to be important in terms of outcome as well. An example I gave was the restructuring of the VECs, which in the New Zealand model might be described as an internal process but which in fact is important in terms of outcomes, including measurable outcomes.