Mr. Jim Fennell:

There were a number of times during the investigation where the president intervened in terms of trying to manage the cost. Professor Redmond, at one point, responded by agreeing to continue working pro bono. Mr. Madden relied on his terms of reference.

There was also significant correspondence between the president and Mr. Madden in relation to the final fees at this juncture, particular correspondence around November 2013. Mr. Madden's concluding remarks were that he requested, once again, that his invoice be paid, and that should he not receive confirmation by 29 November that the invoice would be paid, he would have no alternative but to put the matter in the hands of his solicitors.

Our solicitors are Arthur Cox. I inquired of Arthur Cox in more recent times what the situation was at that time and the information which Arthur Cox provided to me was that the institute would have had to pay the invoice under the terms of reference and to continue to refuse to pay it would have resulted in expensive legal proceedings which, probably, the institute would not win.