Mr. Francie Molloy:

What comes across to me in all of this is the lack of truth and the lack of justice.

In most cases there was no investigation or poor investigation, and certainly no truth has come out of all of that. We see so many similarities between what we are talking about here and so many other cases that I am aware of. I know Ms Anne Cadwallader is presenting, and her book itemises a number of those.

In regard to Bloody Sunday particularly, it highlights the fact that whenever one gets an agreement from the British Government at the highest level that there was murder, one does not get speedy investigation of it. I am sure the investigation of those murders did not actually start after that agreement. Three years on from that, however, and we are 44 years on form the events. The investigation is very old in that situation. The information required could have been given almost immediately but that speedy approach is lacking..

It also seems to show a lack of collective responsibility on the part of both governments. If one looks at all of the cases here, either in the Dublin and Monaghan bombings, and Cavan and all the different bombings that happened, there was no release of information from the Irish Government that it was aware there was collusion or participation of British forces. It brings into question the point of either agreements or inquiries because it all seems to be merely a delaying tactic to get it until as many as possible are deceased and are no longer there to be interviewed.

From the witnesses' point of view, what is, I suppose, the conclusion that they would come to? How does one put this into a truth commission? Mr. Stack referred to the South African situation but that was different because there was a conclusion with the Government opening up, whereas here we do not have that, even in regard to Dublin-Monaghan.

It is significant that no members of the security forces in the North have served a day for any of the incidents involved. Very few have even been questioned or charged. I am not certain what the situation is otherwise. The protection of citizens would seem to be the responsibility of both governments and that is a failure that has happened across the board.

In Ms Fullerton's case, in regard to the murder of Eddie Fullerton, who I knew on the council and during the whole politics of it, the very fact that an RUC man and a garda could quiz someone amounted to a hijacking. It was holding somebody under false arrest, yet none of those persons were charged with that. It is not unusual - it is certainly no surprise to me - that a member of the RUC was seen at the scene of the car being burned out because that seems to be a regular changeover or transfer that happened so many times.

The big issue we have in regard to the Good Friday Agreement, the release of prisoners or all of these things, is that the detail required to deal with them is lacking. The Agreement was made but it seems the first issue, from both governments' point of view, is how does one break it - where are the loopholes, how does one get out of it and how does one fail to implement the Agreement. What is the witnesses' solution to how we can bring this forward? Perhaps it is a question of more committees and more investigations. They will not deliver anything different to what has already been there previously.