John Paul Phelan (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fine Gael) | Oireachtas source

That's fair enough. I was reading your ... part of your biography there, during your second term in Anglo, and it is remarkable reading because you seem to have held a lot of different, kind of, roles within the bank at the ... at the same or similar times. You were the head of ... managing director of lending for Ireland between 2004 and 2007, when lending went from €3 billion to €38 billion.