Mr. Alan Gray:

No such views were expressed to me, Deputy. I asked could I meet all of the divisional managers and I said I wanted to meet them one by one. It was suggested that maybe they should meet me with a group or something. I said, "No, I want to meet everyone one by one." And it was asked why did I think this was appropriate and would it not be best to deal with it in the board and I said I felt, as a new board member just coming in in 2007, I wanted to have the opportunity to meet the key people and hear one-to-one. And at no time ... I said to them, and again I said it ... in the context of what I find a slightly frightening public context in this, I might be a bit more formal than I normally am, but I said, "Look, I'm a non-executive director of this. If you have any views that you wish to express to me, give them to me in confidence because I want to understand what are the issues."