John Paul Phelan (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fine Gael) | Oireachtas source

I think nationalisation was, I think it would be fair to say, directly related to the level of loss, but I know the point you are making. I want to - well, I suppose - ask you also in relation to your own time working in Anglo firstly. When again, just remind me ... I was just trying to find the date that you started working in Anglo.