Mr. Michael Fingleton:

I don't know, you'll have to ask ... I know who ... I know who said it, you'd have to ask her because I don't think ... I think there was always this perception, and I emphasise perception Deputy, that I, sort of, controlled the whole operation of the society. But I took steps to ensure that I didn't control it or couldn't control it. I maintained and kept and ensured that the board always had the final say and that was ... no other institution had the board involved in the lending process.