Mr. Michael Walsh:

No. Sorry, to be clear I met David Doyle on one occasion ... sorry, during the month of September. And I met him ... I would say it ... sorry, I am guessing ... probably around 15 or 16 September, or maybe slightly later, and I met him in the company of the managing director. Now it was a strange meeting, but nonetheless, you know, the three of us were actually in the room together. There was no-----