Mr. Michael Walsh:

Personally, I would say I was completely independent. I was very conscious of the need for independence. I never borrowed a penny from the society. I never was dependent on the remuneration in any fashion, I wasn't part of the social circle of either Mr. Fingleton or, indeed, any of the other non-executive directors so, you know, I certainly preserved my independence. I believe the other non-executive directors preserved their independence.