Mr. Fintan Drury:

First of all, in answering Senator O'Keeffe, I gave a very truthful, instant reaction, to a question which was, "Did he tell you he had gone to Bertie Ahern's house?" Yes, he did. "Did he discuss with you what was discussed?" Yes, he did. I did not know, until you've just said what you said, Deputy, what Bertie Ahern's account was of what Brian Cowen and he had discussed on that ... at that meeting. I was not at that meeting. When I spoke to Brian Cowen, Brian Cowen spoke with me and told me that he had met with Bertie Ahern at his house, and what had been discussed. That was never referenced. The first I heard of it, truthfully ... and if I had heard Bertie Ahern's testimony, and I was saying everything I have said so far to this committee today, I couldn't have said, as, as I did, to Deputy ... I beg your pardon, to Senator O'Keeffe, that, you know, Brian Cowen told me what they had discussed. In other words, what I am saying to you, as, as clearly as I can, is that, in my conversation with Brian Cowen about what he had discussed with Bertie Ahern on that particular evening or day, there was absolutely no reference to the things that you have said Bertie Ahern gave in testimony to this committee. None whatsoever. Now, I ... or, I'm not saying that, that what Bertie Ahern said to this committee isn't a truthful account of what, what occurred or what they discussed, I don't ... the only two people who can answer that question are Bertie Ahern and Brian Cowen, but I can tell you, when Brian Cowen spoke to me he never referenced anything to do with what you've just said Bertie Ahern said, if you follow me.