Mr. Fintan Drury:

Well, they wouldn't have convinced me, clearly, because they wouldn't have been engaged with me. I didn't know any of these people at all. But I think that in terms of their convincing of the lending team, they would have convinced them on the basis of their track record, and their track record of being able to move unzoned land to being zoned and, ultimately, to achieving planning permission. That would be the basis on which they would be ... would have been able to convince-----