Mr. Fintan Drury:

Well, it was, you know, it was ... I don't know precisely. I know I was away, so I think it was probably mid, sort of second week of September, I think. And what I did was, because I didn't have a relationship with Brian Lenihan at all, but I contacted Cathy Herbert and I basically handed the request to her as the person appropriate, I felt, to deal with the request. And that was the extent of it. And important to fill out the answer, I did have a phone call in the week of what turned out to be the guarantee, I had a phone call from the chief executive of the bank, of Anglo Irish Bank, and he asked my advice on something and I suggested to him that I couldn't really advise him but I suggested a course of action. And I think the Chairman would understand why I am being somewhat obtuse, which I have tried to avoid. But I suggested a course of action that he should take. I was not aware at all of, you know, anything that was going on in respect of the machinations within Government.